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Laura M
2005-02-03 01:11:56 UTC
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I'm currently using Creme de la Mer Cream at night and love it. What I
don't like is the hefty price. Does anyone have any recommendations
that work like La Mer without the huge pricetag? I'd appreciate your
opinions!
biochem
2005-02-03 02:09:49 UTC
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Post by Laura M
I'm currently using Creme de la Mer Cream at night and love it. What I
don't like is the hefty price. Does anyone have any recommendations
that work like La Mer without the huge pricetag? I'd appreciate your
opinions!
Creme de la Mer is:
Seaweed (Algae) Extract, Mineral Oil (Paraffinum Liquidum), Petrolatum,
Glycerin, Isohexadecane, Lime (Citrus Aurantifolia) Extract,]
Microcrystalline Wax (Cera Microcrystallina), Lanolin Alcohol, Sesame
(Sesamum Indicum) Oil, Eucalyptus (Eucalyptus Globulus) Oil, Magnesium
Sulfate, Sesame (Sesamum Indicum) Seeds, Alfalfa (Medicago Sativa)
Seeds, Sunflower (Helianthus Annuus) Seeds, Powdered Almonds (Prunus
Dulcis), *Sodium, Potassium, Copper, Calcium, Magnesium, and Zinc
Gluconate*, Paraffin, Vitamin E Succinate, Niacin, Beta-Carotene, Decyl
Oleate, Aluminum Stearate, Octyldodecanol, Citric Acid, Cyanocobalamin,
Magnesium Stearate, Panthenol, Methylchloroisothiazolinone,
Methylisothiazolinone, Alcohol Denate., Fragrance (Parfum).

Nivea cream: $3.49/2 oz is:
Triple Purified Water, Mineral Oil, Petrolatum, Glycerin, Isohexadecane,
Microcrystalline Wax, Lanolin Alcohol, Paraffin, Panthenol, Magnesium
Sulfate, Decyl Oleate, Octyldodecanol, Aluminum Stearate, Fragrance,
Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Citric Acid,
Magnesium Stearate

The bases are almost identical. There is very little in terms of
concentration of
the ingredients after the microcrystaliline wax.

The differences are:

seaweed-- species is not specified

lime extract--I would skip this, many citrus components are photosensitizers

sesame seeds and oil (mostly linoleic and oleic acids, the linoleic is
probably
oxidized in this formula since it's cooked. You can do better.).

eucalyptus oil: I'd skip it, it can irritate

alfalfa seeds, sunflower seeds: some amino acids (humectants) and minerals

almonds: mostly oleic acid, you could skip it, oleic has no effect on the
skin's barrier function. linoleic acid, an EFA, is much more critical.

minerals: these are a little redundant with the seaweed extract.

vitamin E: the form they include is not the best form, it might not
be converted to tocopherol in the skin and it has been shown to
increase the rate of cancer in mice when applied topically.

niacin: a b vitamin

beta carotene: provides some photoprotection

b12: good for atopic dermatitis

You could get the Nivea, add some bladderwrack extract (ref below) from
the health food store, some cold pressed Hain sunflower oil for linoleic
acid, and a crushed multivitamin, and it would be almost the same thing
but much cheaper.


ref:

J Cosmet Sci. 2002 Jan-Feb;53(1):1-9.

Treatment of human skin with an extract of Fucus vesiculosus changes its
thickness and mechanical properties.

Fujimura T, Tsukahara K, Moriwaki S, Kitahara T, Sano T, Takema Y.

Biological Science Laboratories, Kao Corporation, 2606 Akabane,
Ichikai-machi,
Haga-gun, Tochigi 321-3497, Japan.

Recently the researchers found that an extract of Fucus vesiculosus,
which is a
type of seaweed, promotes the contraction of fibroblast-populated
collagen gels
through increased expression of integrin molecules. In this study, they
investigated the effects of topical application of an aqueous extract of
this
alga on the thickness and the mechanical properties of human skin. A gel
formulation that included 1% of the extract was applied topically to
human cheek
skin twice daily for five weeks. A significant decrease in skin thickness
measured by B-mode ultrasound was elicited, as was a significant
improvement in
elasticity measured with a Cutometer as compared with controls. In cheek
skin,
the thickness normally increases and the elasticity usually decreases
with age.
These results suggest that the Fucus vesiculosus extract possesses
anti-aging
activities and should be useful for a variety of cosmetics.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Controlled Clinical Trial

PMID: 11917251 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Laura M
2005-02-03 05:11:05 UTC
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Wow! I didn't expect such an informative response. I think I'll give
Nivea a try. I use their body lotion and absolutely adore it. Thank
you so much!
rosie readandpost
2005-02-03 14:42:57 UTC
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NIVEA in the blue jar has been my all time FAVORITE moisturizer for
years and years!
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: Wow! I didn't expect such an informative response. I think I'll
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: Nivea a try. I use their body lotion and absolutely adore it.
Thank
: you so much!
:
Donna
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NIVEA in the blue jar has been my all time FAVORITE moisturizer for
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: Wow! I didn't expect such an informative response. I think I'll
give
: Nivea a try. I use their body lotion and absolutely adore it.
Thank
: you so much!
.. i love the Nivea in blue tin to

Miss Livvy
2005-02-03 07:04:48 UTC
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biochem,
I love you for posting this.
Thanks.
Post by biochem
Post by Laura M
I'm currently using Creme de la Mer Cream at night and love it. What I
don't like is the hefty price. Does anyone have any recommendations
that work like La Mer without the huge pricetag? I'd appreciate your
opinions!
Seaweed (Algae) Extract, Mineral Oil (Paraffinum Liquidum), Petrolatum,
Glycerin, Isohexadecane, Lime (Citrus Aurantifolia) Extract,]
Microcrystalline Wax (Cera Microcrystallina), Lanolin Alcohol, Sesame
(Sesamum Indicum) Oil, Eucalyptus (Eucalyptus Globulus) Oil, Magnesium
Sulfate, Sesame (Sesamum Indicum) Seeds, Alfalfa (Medicago Sativa)
Seeds, Sunflower (Helianthus Annuus) Seeds, Powdered Almonds (Prunus
Dulcis), *Sodium, Potassium, Copper, Calcium, Magnesium, and Zinc
Gluconate*, Paraffin, Vitamin E Succinate, Niacin, Beta-Carotene, Decyl
Oleate, Aluminum Stearate, Octyldodecanol, Citric Acid, Cyanocobalamin,
Magnesium Stearate, Panthenol, Methylchloroisothiazolinone,
Methylisothiazolinone, Alcohol Denate., Fragrance (Parfum).
Triple Purified Water, Mineral Oil, Petrolatum, Glycerin, Isohexadecane,
Microcrystalline Wax, Lanolin Alcohol, Paraffin, Panthenol, Magnesium
Sulfate, Decyl Oleate, Octyldodecanol, Aluminum Stearate, Fragrance,
Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Citric Acid,
Magnesium Stearate
The bases are almost identical. There is very little in terms of
concentration of
the ingredients after the microcrystaliline wax.
seaweed-- species is not specified
lime extract--I would skip this, many citrus components are
photosensitizers
Post by biochem
sesame seeds and oil (mostly linoleic and oleic acids, the linoleic is
probably
oxidized in this formula since it's cooked. You can do better.).
eucalyptus oil: I'd skip it, it can irritate
alfalfa seeds, sunflower seeds: some amino acids (humectants) and minerals
almonds: mostly oleic acid, you could skip it, oleic has no effect on the
skin's barrier function. linoleic acid, an EFA, is much more critical.
minerals: these are a little redundant with the seaweed extract.
vitamin E: the form they include is not the best form, it might not
be converted to tocopherol in the skin and it has been shown to
increase the rate of cancer in mice when applied topically.
niacin: a b vitamin
beta carotene: provides some photoprotection
b12: good for atopic dermatitis
You could get the Nivea, add some bladderwrack extract (ref below) from
the health food store, some cold pressed Hain sunflower oil for linoleic
acid, and a crushed multivitamin, and it would be almost the same thing
but much cheaper.
J Cosmet Sci. 2002 Jan-Feb;53(1):1-9.
Treatment of human skin with an extract of Fucus vesiculosus changes its
thickness and mechanical properties.
Fujimura T, Tsukahara K, Moriwaki S, Kitahara T, Sano T, Takema Y.
Biological Science Laboratories, Kao Corporation, 2606 Akabane,
Ichikai-machi,
Haga-gun, Tochigi 321-3497, Japan.
Recently the researchers found that an extract of Fucus vesiculosus,
which is a
type of seaweed, promotes the contraction of fibroblast-populated
collagen gels
through increased expression of integrin molecules. In this study, they
investigated the effects of topical application of an aqueous extract of
this
alga on the thickness and the mechanical properties of human skin. A gel
formulation that included 1% of the extract was applied topically to
human cheek
skin twice daily for five weeks. A significant decrease in skin thickness
measured by B-mode ultrasound was elicited, as was a significant
improvement in
elasticity measured with a Cutometer as compared with controls. In cheek
skin,
the thickness normally increases and the elasticity usually decreases
with age.
These results suggest that the Fucus vesiculosus extract possesses
anti-aging
activities and should be useful for a variety of cosmetics.
Clinical Trial
Controlled Clinical Trial
PMID: 11917251 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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http://biochemistryofbeauty.com/phpBB/index.php
Donna5657
2005-02-03 16:13:19 UTC
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Post by Miss Livvy
biochem,
I love you for posting this.
Thanks.
Thanks. I really appreciate this too!
rosie readandpost
2005-02-03 14:43:38 UTC
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thanks biochem!
i knew there was a reason i loved my NIVEA in the blue jar!
(a product from Germany)
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"biochem" <***@biochemistryofbeauty.com> wrote in message news:NJfMd.398$***@newshog.newsread.com...
: Laura M wrote:
: > I'm currently using Creme de la Mer Cream at night and love it.
What I
: > don't like is the hefty price. Does anyone have any
recommendations
: > that work like La Mer without the huge pricetag? I'd appreciate
your
: > opinions!
:
: Creme de la Mer is:
: Seaweed (Algae) Extract, Mineral Oil (Paraffinum Liquidum),
Petrolatum,
: Glycerin, Isohexadecane, Lime (Citrus Aurantifolia) Extract,]
: Microcrystalline Wax (Cera Microcrystallina), Lanolin Alcohol,
Sesame
: (Sesamum Indicum) Oil, Eucalyptus (Eucalyptus Globulus) Oil,
Magnesium
: Sulfate, Sesame (Sesamum Indicum) Seeds, Alfalfa (Medicago Sativa)
: Seeds, Sunflower (Helianthus Annuus) Seeds, Powdered Almonds
(Prunus
: Dulcis), *Sodium, Potassium, Copper, Calcium, Magnesium, and Zinc
: Gluconate*, Paraffin, Vitamin E Succinate, Niacin, Beta-Carotene,
Decyl
: Oleate, Aluminum Stearate, Octyldodecanol, Citric Acid,
Cyanocobalamin,
: Magnesium Stearate, Panthenol, Methylchloroisothiazolinone,
: Methylisothiazolinone, Alcohol Denate., Fragrance (Parfum).
:
: Nivea cream: $3.49/2 oz is:
: Triple Purified Water, Mineral Oil, Petrolatum, Glycerin,
Isohexadecane,
: Microcrystalline Wax, Lanolin Alcohol, Paraffin, Panthenol,
Magnesium
: Sulfate, Decyl Oleate, Octyldodecanol, Aluminum Stearate,
Fragrance,
: Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Citric Acid,
: Magnesium Stearate
:
: The bases are almost identical. There is very little in terms of
: concentration of
: the ingredients after the microcrystaliline wax.
:
: The differences are:
:
: seaweed-- species is not specified
:
: lime extract--I would skip this, many citrus components are
photosensitizers
:
: sesame seeds and oil (mostly linoleic and oleic acids, the
linoleic is
: probably
: oxidized in this formula since it's cooked. You can do better.).
:
: eucalyptus oil: I'd skip it, it can irritate
:
: alfalfa seeds, sunflower seeds: some amino acids (humectants) and
minerals
:
: almonds: mostly oleic acid, you could skip it, oleic has no effect
on the
: skin's barrier function. linoleic acid, an EFA, is much more
critical.
:
: minerals: these are a little redundant with the seaweed extract.
:
: vitamin E: the form they include is not the best form, it might
not
: be converted to tocopherol in the skin and it has been shown to
: increase the rate of cancer in mice when applied topically.
:
: niacin: a b vitamin
:
: beta carotene: provides some photoprotection
:
: b12: good for atopic dermatitis
:
: You could get the Nivea, add some bladderwrack extract (ref below)
from
: the health food store, some cold pressed Hain sunflower oil for
linoleic
: acid, and a crushed multivitamin, and it would be almost the same
thing
: but much cheaper.
:
:
: ref:
:
: J Cosmet Sci. 2002 Jan-Feb;53(1):1-9.
:
: Treatment of human skin with an extract of Fucus vesiculosus
changes its
: thickness and mechanical properties.
:
: Fujimura T, Tsukahara K, Moriwaki S, Kitahara T, Sano T, Takema Y.
:
: Biological Science Laboratories, Kao Corporation, 2606 Akabane,
: Ichikai-machi,
: Haga-gun, Tochigi 321-3497, Japan.
:
: Recently the researchers found that an extract of Fucus
vesiculosus,
: which is a
: type of seaweed, promotes the contraction of fibroblast-populated
: collagen gels
: through increased expression of integrin molecules. In this study,
they
: investigated the effects of topical application of an aqueous
extract of
: this
: alga on the thickness and the mechanical properties of human skin.
A gel
: formulation that included 1% of the extract was applied topically
to
: human cheek
: skin twice daily for five weeks. A significant decrease in skin
thickness
: measured by B-mode ultrasound was elicited, as was a significant
: improvement in
: elasticity measured with a Cutometer as compared with controls. In
cheek
: skin,
: the thickness normally increases and the elasticity usually
decreases
: with age.
: These results suggest that the Fucus vesiculosus extract possesses
: anti-aging
: activities and should be useful for a variety of cosmetics.
:
: Publication Types:
: Clinical Trial
: Controlled Clinical Trial
:
: PMID: 11917251 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
:
: -
: evidence-based skincare forum
: http://biochemistryofbeauty.com/phpBB/index.php
Laura M
2005-02-03 16:18:44 UTC
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Now that I think about it, I'm wondering about nivea blocking my pores.
In non-scientific terms, do you know anything about this?
biochem
2005-02-03 18:10:35 UTC
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Post by Laura M
Now that I think about it, I'm wondering about nivea blocking my pores.
In non-scientific terms, do you know anything about this?
Yes. It is not uncommon for emollient occlusives to produce
comedones in the rabbit ear assay. The rabbit ear model is
not a great predictor for what happens on human skin
(especially not the premenstrual acne-prone human female
chin) but it is better than nothing.

Some non-emollient non-occlusive ingredients can also
be troublesome.

You can check the ingredients here--a compiled list of
comedogenicity tests for various cosmetic ingredients.

http://www.biochemistryofbeauty.com/comedogenicity.html

for Nivea, the main components after water are:

compound, comedogenicity rating
---------------------------------------------------------------
Mineral Oil, 0-2/3, depending on the type
Petrolatum, 0-3/3, depending on the type
Glycerin, 0-1
Isohexadecane, s/b similar to a light mineral oil
Lanolin Alcohol, 0-2/5

Most things that are comedogenic when applied straight
are less problematic when diluted. You could dilute your
Nivea in the palm of your hand with water or a water-
humectant blend before applying.

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melizabeth
2005-02-03 17:18:34 UTC
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Post by biochem
Post by Laura M
I'm currently using Creme de la Mer Cream at night and love it. What I
don't like is the hefty price. Does anyone have any recommendations
that work like La Mer without the huge pricetag? I'd appreciate your
opinions!
Seaweed (Algae) Extract, Mineral Oil (Paraffinum Liquidum), Petrolatum,
Glycerin, Isohexadecane, Lime (Citrus Aurantifolia) Extract,]
Microcrystalline Wax (Cera Microcrystallina), Lanolin Alcohol, Sesame
(Sesamum Indicum) Oil, Eucalyptus (Eucalyptus Globulus) Oil, Magnesium
Sulfate, Sesame (Sesamum Indicum) Seeds, Alfalfa (Medicago Sativa)
Seeds, Sunflower (Helianthus Annuus) Seeds, Powdered Almonds (Prunus
Dulcis), *Sodium, Potassium, Copper, Calcium, Magnesium, and Zinc
Gluconate*, Paraffin, Vitamin E Succinate, Niacin, Beta-Carotene, Decyl
Oleate, Aluminum Stearate, Octyldodecanol, Citric Acid, Cyanocobalamin,
Magnesium Stearate, Panthenol, Methylchloroisothiazolinone,
Methylisothiazolinone, Alcohol Denate., Fragrance (Parfum).
Triple Purified Water, Mineral Oil, Petrolatum, Glycerin, Isohexadecane,
Microcrystalline Wax, Lanolin Alcohol, Paraffin, Panthenol, Magnesium
Sulfate, Decyl Oleate, Octyldodecanol, Aluminum Stearate, Fragrance,
Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Citric Acid,
Magnesium Stearate
The bases are almost identical. There is very little in terms of
concentration of
the ingredients after the microcrystaliline wax.
seaweed-- species is not specified
lime extract--I would skip this, many citrus components are
photosensitizers
Post by biochem
sesame seeds and oil (mostly linoleic and oleic acids, the linoleic is
probably
oxidized in this formula since it's cooked. You can do better.).
eucalyptus oil: I'd skip it, it can irritate
alfalfa seeds, sunflower seeds: some amino acids (humectants) and minerals
almonds: mostly oleic acid, you could skip it, oleic has no effect on the
skin's barrier function. linoleic acid, an EFA, is much more critical.
minerals: these are a little redundant with the seaweed extract.
vitamin E: the form they include is not the best form, it might not
be converted to tocopherol in the skin and it has been shown to
increase the rate of cancer in mice when applied topically.
niacin: a b vitamin
beta carotene: provides some photoprotection
b12: good for atopic dermatitis
You could get the Nivea, add some bladderwrack extract (ref below) from
the health food store, some cold pressed Hain sunflower oil for linoleic
acid, and a crushed multivitamin, and it would be almost the same thing
but much cheaper.
J Cosmet Sci. 2002 Jan-Feb;53(1):1-9.
Treatment of human skin with an extract of Fucus vesiculosus changes its
thickness and mechanical properties.
Fujimura T, Tsukahara K, Moriwaki S, Kitahara T, Sano T, Takema Y.
Biological Science Laboratories, Kao Corporation, 2606 Akabane,
Ichikai-machi,
Haga-gun, Tochigi 321-3497, Japan.
Recently the researchers found that an extract of Fucus vesiculosus,
which is a
type of seaweed, promotes the contraction of fibroblast-populated
collagen gels
through increased expression of integrin molecules. In this study, they
investigated the effects of topical application of an aqueous extract of
this
alga on the thickness and the mechanical properties of human skin. A gel
formulation that included 1% of the extract was applied topically to
human cheek
skin twice daily for five weeks. A significant decrease in skin thickness
measured by B-mode ultrasound was elicited, as was a significant
improvement in
elasticity measured with a Cutometer as compared with controls. In cheek
skin,
the thickness normally increases and the elasticity usually decreases
with age.
These results suggest that the Fucus vesiculosus extract possesses
anti-aging
activities and should be useful for a variety of cosmetics.
Clinical Trial
Controlled Clinical Trial
PMID: 11917251 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
-
evidence-based skincare forum
http://biochemistryofbeauty.com/phpBB/index.php
Wow! What a great response!
Popnrockjeanine
2005-02-03 15:20:00 UTC
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Post by Laura M
I'm currently using Creme de la Mer Cream at night and love it. What I
don't like is the hefty price.
I have used Creme de la Mer for two years now (off and on during the winter
months). It is very good but really I do not find it to be any better than some
drug store brands.

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