Discussion:
The Custom Made Suit
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Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
2003-08-11 17:48:20 UTC
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OK, a few people emailed me about getting suits for themselves or their
husbands/BFs/etc. So, I figured there might be an undercurrent of curiosity on
the matter and as such, I best address it.

First of all, that a suit is tailor-made is not THAT much of a distinction. It
just means an actual human being made this, as opposed to some machine in a
factory somewhere. Still, even tailors will use sewing machines, etc. when it's
appropriate. The two top tiers of the suitmaking world are made-to-measure
(i.e., MTM) and bespoke or custom-made. "Bespoke" is generally considered to be
the province of the tailoring establishments of Savile Row, London; much like
"couture" is the turf of the assorted couture ateliers of Paris. (Only that to
be officially considered "couture" one must jump through a series of
bureaucratic hoops of the Gallic kind, whereas no such strictures enslave the
bespoke tailoring houses of London. But I digress.)

Anyway, the main differences are that a MTM suit will use a pre-existing
pattern adjusted to your own measurements, anomalies, asymmetries, etc. A
bespoke/custom suit will have a pattern made from scratch. Either kind of suit
(and the better ready-to-wear suits) will exhibit a few distinctive touches. A
partial list:

1- Style. The width of lapel, taper of trouser, pleat depth, etc., will
vary--at the very most--a few millimeters, year over year. The suit will likely
last 20-30 years, which is a long time to be wearing a nehru jacket or dropped
lapels or flared [shudder] trousers. Therefore it is vital the silhouette be
timeless.

2- Details. The details will be key. Matching the patterns at the pockets,
finishing and taping all seams on the inside (there are many seriously high-end
custom suits that have little or no lining), flower loop on the underside of
the lapel...all these distinguish the MTM/custom suit from its lesser brethren.

3- Construction. This suit will move well with the wearer. This is because the
armholes are egg-shaped, not round; the interlinings are floating canvas, not
fused, the shoulders follow the natural pitch of the collarbone, etc.

As you can imagine, none of this comes cheap, especially if you go for full
custom over MTM. (I've only had one full-custom once, and while it does fit
better than other MTM suits, I dunno it warrants the STIFF premium in price.)

Any questions?

-Joe in SoFla

I don't care, and you can't make me.
JulieB
2003-08-12 03:58:39 UTC
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Post by Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
OK, a few people emailed me about getting suits for themselves or their
husbands/BFs/etc. So, I figured there might be an undercurrent of curiosity on
the matter and as such, I best address it.
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Post by Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
Any questions?
No questions, but I would like to add that my step-father had a suit
MTM. He is tall and is difficult to fit in standard sizes, so this
suit is easily the best he owns. As Joe said, it moves with him
rather than just hanging on him, and doesn't fight with his natural
shape. As soon as the DBF accumulates the cash and gets a job that
can justify the expense, he's going for it!

Julie.
Trilby
2003-08-12 05:42:45 UTC
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Post by Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
Post by Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
OK, a few people emailed me about getting suits for themselves or their
husbands/BFs/etc. So, I figured there might be an undercurrent of
curiosity on
Post by Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
the matter and as such, I best address it.
<snip>
Post by Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
Any questions?
No questions, but I would like to add that my step-father had a suit
MTM. He is tall and is difficult to fit in standard sizes, so this
suit is easily the best he owns. As Joe said, it moves with him
rather than just hanging on him, and doesn't fight with his natural
shape. As soon as the DBF accumulates the cash and gets a job that
can justify the expense, he's going for it!
Julie.
TSMIM has his suits MTM. He used to go to a tailoring place in
Indianapolis whenever he visited his parents. The owner's name was
Leon. They did beautiful work; the way the suit jacket fit through the
back was positively poetic. I wish those suits still fit him. They were
more becoming than the ones he's getting now, which are always from Tom
James. This is because the Tom James guy brings samples of fabric around
to the office. But the Tom James suits are really cut for a taller
man; the proportions in the jacket are off, even when they shorten things.

I don't know how much he's spending on suits these days. (And he's not
buying suits these days, anyway; his office has gone all casual day all
the time.)

I think custom made suits sound great. The whole idea of having a suit
cut especially for me, instead of having it be retro-fitted after it
was designed sounds cool. I bet if someone were making a pattern I'd
want to do something really cool. What do custom made suits tend to
cost? Is it like couture prices? Say, $5,000 to $10,000?

Priscilla
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Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
2003-08-12 13:56:20 UTC
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Post by Trilby
They were
more becoming than the ones he's getting now, which are always from Tom
James. This is because the Tom James guy brings samples of fabric around
to the office. But the Tom James suits are really cut for a taller
man; the proportions in the jacket are off, even when they shorten things.
This is the problem w. MTM: the wearer is at the mercy of the pattern of the
maker. If you are on the cusp of a given maker's short & regular or regular &
tall, it's simply not going to go as well as if you had a pattern made
especially for you.
Post by Trilby
I bet if someone were making a pattern I'd
want to do something really cool. What do custom made suits tend to
cost? Is it like couture prices? Say, $5,000 to $10,000?
$2500-$5000. "Bespoke" prices tend to be lower than couture prices for a number
of reasons. First there is no "intellectual property" (i.e. "this year's
design") cost to amortize, since these suits' silhouettes haven't varied since
talkies took over.

Second, the fabrics tend to be less specific to each establishment. That is to
say, Anderson & Sheppard could very well be using the same taupe & camel glen
plaid Super 150s as, say, Alan Flusser.

Third, there is no markup for using the title "couturier" because there is no
equivalent to that singularly Gallic institution that decides whose work is
couture and whose work is, well, not.

In the USA, the main names for custom work are Alan Flusser and Oxxford, but
there are a few in every major metropolitan area.

As an aside, I remember the OUTRAGE when Brooks Brothers discontinued their
custom suitmaking operation in 1976.

-Joe in SoFla

I don't care, and you can't make me.
Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
2003-08-12 13:59:26 UTC
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Oh, and the next tuxedo I have made WILL be custom, not MTM.

The current MTM one I have is great, but I figure that when one is arrayed in
black tie, that's when one ought look the VERY best and I wanna make sure I
shine like a bastard.

-Joe in SoFla

I don't care, and you can't make me.
Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
2003-08-12 13:57:56 UTC
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Post by JulieB
As soon as the DBF accumulates the cash and gets a job that
can justify the expense, he's going for it!
If it helps, remember that such a suit will--with proper care--last decades and
always look stellar. The cost--not cheap--amortizes nicely.

-Joe in SoFla

I don't care, and you can't make me.
strawberry
2003-08-12 12:21:25 UTC
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Post by Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
OK, a few people emailed me about getting suits for themselves or their
husbands/BFs/etc. So, I figured there might be an undercurrent of curiosity on
the matter and as such, I best address it.
First of all, that a suit is tailor-made is not THAT much of a distinction. It
just means an actual human being made this, as opposed to some machine in a
factory somewhere. Still, even tailors will use sewing machines, etc. when it's
appropriate. The two top tiers of the suitmaking world are made-to-measure
(i.e., MTM) and bespoke or custom-made. "Bespoke" is generally considered to be
the province of the tailoring establishments of Savile Row, London; much like
"couture" is the turf of the assorted couture ateliers of Paris. (Only that to
be officially considered "couture" one must jump through a series of
bureaucratic hoops of the Gallic kind, whereas no such strictures enslave the
bespoke tailoring houses of London. But I digress.)
Anyway, the main differences are that a MTM suit will use a pre-existing
pattern adjusted to your own measurements, anomalies, asymmetries, etc. A
bespoke/custom suit will have a pattern made from scratch. Either kind of suit
(and the better ready-to-wear suits) will exhibit a few distinctive touches. A
1- Style. The width of lapel, taper of trouser, pleat depth, etc., will
vary--at the very most--a few millimeters, year over year. The suit will likely
last 20-30 years, which is a long time to be wearing a nehru jacket or dropped
lapels or flared [shudder] trousers. Therefore it is vital the silhouette be
timeless.
2- Details. The details will be key. Matching the patterns at the pockets,
finishing and taping all seams on the inside (there are many seriously high-end
custom suits that have little or no lining), flower loop on the underside of
the lapel...all these distinguish the MTM/custom suit from its lesser brethren.
3- Construction. This suit will move well with the wearer. This is because the
armholes are egg-shaped, not round; the interlinings are floating canvas, not
fused, the shoulders follow the natural pitch of the collarbone, etc.
As you can imagine, none of this comes cheap, especially if you go for full
custom over MTM. (I've only had one full-custom once, and while it does fit
better than other MTM suits, I dunno it warrants the STIFF premium in price.)
Any questions?
No but I must admit that I'm so tempted to use one of these service in
the near future. I want a couple of new coats and Im sure as hell not
doing it myself. It's so time consuming I'm not in the mood for it nor
do I have the time to waste.

PS You've forgotten some important elements:
1. the constant pressing and repressing
2. seam allowances
3. the grain variations in the lining
4. and the option od eliminating padding which i detest (my shoulder are
just fine thank you very muchly)
Jpoijhgwedfg M. Gtgiokjhderfg Jr.
2003-08-12 13:44:10 UTC
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4. and the option of eliminating padding which i detest (my shoulder are
just fine thank you very muchly)
That is also key. A proper suit will have padding only for the purposes of
symmetry, not to "shape" the garment. A jacket that is overly padded will not
move with the wearer because what is "filling" it is a bunch of pads and not
*you.*


-Joe in SoFla

I don't care, and you can't make me.
alcordia
2013-01-23 08:56:26 UTC
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hie, i am alcordia. In custom made clothing tailors take care of the specifications of the customer. Only the finest tailor can do this like jjstailors can do. They are experts in clothing custom USA and in other countries also.
neelsen
2013-02-22 10:08:25 UTC
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Custom suits are valueable, because they use chosen fabric. everything is according to us, so it increase more value, my all suits are by DAVID-FASHIONS. The fabric is so fine that they have the collection. I prefer custom suit and clothing.
auredry
2013-03-09 07:32:03 UTC
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Tailored suits are so in fashion now a days, because of the techniques no need to go anywhere because that can be done by ordering also. They also custom suits in big sizes, like HIMARKMARTINTAILORS. big sizes are standard in sizes. In such cases HIMARKMARTINTAILORS use tricks, because that is very tricky. They provide info about them : http://www.himarkmartintailors.com/home.php
auredry
2013-03-12 07:09:17 UTC
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Friends i ordered couple of suits online from HIMARKMARTINTAILORS. I never expected that the suits will so fabulous and the fit is exactly i wanted. The fabric and the color i chose also through their site. They are so good tailors.
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